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July 31, 2011

Lacan's Three Orders, Symbolic, Imaginary, Real (with a bit about "reality")

[...this is a chunk taken from a letter I wrote to an artist friend. It was prompted by confusions between us about the use of "symbolic", where I was using it in Lacan's sense of the term, and he in the more vernacular way where we might say that "X is symbolic of Y". If you are already familiar with Lacan's use of these terms, I doubt there is much here for you. But if these are deeply mysterious still, it might be of some interest]

Before I get started, whatever else there is to say about these three 'orders', they must be understood to be radically, even constitutively, distinct from one another, but at the same time they are linked, they are what they are because of not being either of the others. A way that you might picture this is shown below, the borromean knot....



The borromean knot is a curious object. Some insist on saying that it is a chain. I'm fine either way, it is a chain that is a knot. But what makes it unique is that if any one link is cut, the entire knot comes undone. If that does not seem odd, imagine a regular chain, stretching from point A to point B. If you cut a link, you break the chain, but the two halves are now simply shorter lengths of chain. When the borromean chain/knot is cut, the other two pieces fall to the ground separately and completely unconnected. 
The Symbolic Order (don't those capitals make it official looking?). It is primarily identified with language, though I would extend this to any semiotic system. But it is also operant in the practices of our daily lives, though let me go back to language to clarify a bit more before we think about how the symbolic can be found in the day to day. That language is identified with the symbolic does not make the two equivalent, be clear about that. That is to say, that at its purest the symbolic is not the words that compose a sentence but all the rules which allow sentences to be composed at all. Or think of it like this, if a game of chess is like a series of statements, then we can record the entire sequence and 'play it back' etc, but it has this one dimension in time (forward-backward, exactly like a spoken utterance) -- the symbolic of the game of chess would be the complete set of 'all possible moves in all possible games'. This particular game we played and recorded is but one variation possible within that enormous set. The set itself, in this extremely restricted example, is generated by the rules of chess. But the symbolic properly speaking is the structural system of possibility/impossibility that lies underneath all semiotic systems, natural languages, computer languages etc. A line of computer code, a sentence in French, a series of hieroglyphs, all of these are related to the symbolic is the same way that a single game of chess is to the set of all possibilities allowed by chess.
So what about the symbolic in everyday life? 
Here is a New Orleans example (as that is where I write these words): a great many houses in this city have a narrow front and are relatively deep. This is because for a long period of time the taxes on a house were determined by its frontage on the street and took no account of how far back the house extended. If one had more money, then a wider house was possible. But so far as the symbolic determination of it with regard to taxation was concerned, if your house was 12ft wide and 12ft deep you paid the same tax as your neighbor whose house was 12ft wide and 100ft deep. Here we see a widespread material characteristic of a place, and thus any number of physical and bodily issues resultant from a mapping of this place, determined by the symbolic functioning of this tax law. 
Another example. I have $21 in my wallet, a 20 and a 1. I know that these objects are just specially printed 'paper' and that they're each equally useful in and of themselves (both would serve as bookmark, as fuel for a fire, as somewhere to put my bubble gum when its flavor has been depleted, etc). But in the way I behave with them, I obey the symbolic order: I treat currency as the material embodiment of wealth. Here we can make a pun that doesn't work with the other orders; the symbolic (order) orders you around. That is, in chess, you can't move the king as the knight moves, that move is against the symbolic order. The symbolic, as it underlies so many more complex semiotic systems (language preeminently) is far more complex that 'the symbolic' of chess in my example. In chess it is rigidly static, the rules do not change, number of sequences in the set of all possible moves in all possible games is finite. But the symbolic, properly understood, is theoretically infinite - even if we nonetheless experience many aspects of it as invariant, and for us in our limited life spans and particular lifeworlds and cultures, many of its 'orders' are effectively invariant in how they determine people's behavior. Imagine that you have an endless supply of 20s and 1s, and every person you see you invite to have one of the two bills, but only one. How many choose the single instead of the $20?  This is a good example as well because, it is possible that someone would choose the single, or even refuse either. Alternatives are in many cases possible, but observation of the way the world functions indicates that the symbolic order is usually obeyed. 
When you begin to look for examples of the symbolic in daily life, they are literally *everywhere* around you. The symbolic is enabling your ability to read my words at this instant. 
& now…
The Imaginary Order.   Again, avoid the ordinary connotations of the word, this is something else with a much larger reference than our everyday usage of this word connotes. It has to do with images, the visual, spatiality, etc - but it also ensnares (or perhaps "overlays") the body, feelings/affects/emotions, and even perception in significant ways. I'll try for a litany of instances with conceptual articulation along the way to help flesh this out. 
  • When you look across the street and are immediately certain that you are looking at a woman or a man, this immediacy of recognition is imaginary (and just as immediately mapped on to a symbolic determination; man or woman). 
  • When one senses rivalry with another, or lusts for them, or dislikes them, or feels friendly toward them, or is impressed with them, or frightened of them immediately with no 'reason' or justification, maybe nothing one can point to, or even just 'vibe' or 'look' or something - this is the imaginary (it is also involved in every instance when we feel that we do have a reason for whatever response, but we tend not to notice it as clearly because of the ‘reason’, even though the imaginary is always there, adding its input to our feeling - here is a cliche example that we all know, and yet this does not prevent us from being ensnared by it to some degree: we tend to react more positively to people who are conventionally attractive, hence advertisers do not hire ugly people to sell products. 
  • By extension (and in a way that is not done with the symbolic usually, though I have done this with the chess example above) one can generalize this concept to certain instances as a way of saying "how we picture this thing happening." You mentioned liking trees. But I know you can also easily draw/paint a 'tree' which does not correspond to any actually existing tree, but it is still a tree because it conforms to the imaginary that we have of 'tree' (and, importantly it also has a symbolic marker, the concept of 'tree' which helps to anchor the imaginary). [Sometimes scholars push this even further and use phrases like "in our economic imaginary at this moment in time, it seems that there is only capitalism" and while I understand this usage, we are at that point talking about something with a somewhat heavier admixture of the symbolic than to call it "imaginary" seems to register, and so I shy away from that sort of usage.] 
  • So an image on a canvas is both a materialization of the imaginary and it is also recognized through the imaginary (and/or the symbolic). I show you a drawing and you look and do not recognize any 'depicted' thing from the world or your own imaginary, but then after a moment you think "it kind of looks like a tree." Whether it was an attempt at drawing a tree or not is not at issue. You have filtered it through or interpreted it by the imaginary as you have it in you, or you have imposed your imaginary upon it (all of which in this case are ways of saying essentially the same thing). 
  • Here is a curious example (or I think so). Let's say that you have a stomach ache and you look in the medicine cabinet and grab some sort of liquid medicine for it. Ask yourself how it is that you 'picture' to yourself that it works. ... ... Ok, so what did you come up with? Whatever you came up with was imaginary, whether it was the imagery of pepto-bismol where the soothing pink color coats the inside of a shape that is the 'stomach' - or if you imagine it as the way some chemical reactions 'look' where one liquid changes color slightly, or ceases to fizz or bubble - whatever you picture here is imaginary. Even if it were absolutely true that drinking pepto colored everything inside a soothing pink, it would still be imaginary, because a 'picture' in your mind or on a screen or whatever is not actually HOW such a medicine really 'works' to end your stomach ache (just as if we add two clear liquids together and they turn white and completely opaque, that we see this tells us nothing about why or how it happened, all it does is give us a visual cue that something or other did happen). 
When the aspect of the imaginary concerns ourselves, and our 'self-image,' we can notice a feature of the imaginary that is important and which thinking of trees or soothing pink liquid does not allow us to see. We are heavily invested in our imaginary of ourselves and images of us which conflict badly we often reject or push away in some fashion: "Oh my god delete that picture, I look horrifying!" This is sort of the inverse of the immediacy of emotional responses without 'reasons' that I mentioned earlier. "I took one look at him and didn't trust him." "The minute I looked in her eyes I knew I wanted to spend my life with her."  With regard to our imaginary of our bodies we collect images, 'picturings,' of it that we like and which depict us as we wish to be seen, and generally we try to lose or forget those we dislike. This is one of the disquieting things about photography, it has a chance to 'fix' an image which we may very well hate, making it more difficult to repress from our imaginary. This has all been about images, but here are two non-visual examples that are also imaginary. It does not happen to me any more at all, but most people who do not usually hear their voices on recordings are often surprised at both how they sound and at the way that they speak, in the sense of constructing thoughts in words. Maybe it has to do with our own voices sounding different because of their place of origin inside our bodies, but even if this is so, we build our imaginary of their 'sound' from this source, and so when we hear ourselves on a recording, it doesn't match the imaginary ‘picture’ (or perhaps “sonic image”) we have of our voice. Likewise, people say things like "I usually don't feel like I have an accent, but jeez, listen to me" or "Do I really say 'like' every other sentence?" or "Wow, at the time I really thought I was making sense, but listening to that I have no idea what I am talking about." All of these illustrate the difference between our established imaginary about these aspects of our speech and what a recording can reveal (similar to the 'bad picture' issue with photography above).
Now, you might expect the real next. But we must deal with something else first, that thing we call "reality." Reality is not the real. The real is not usually perceptible to us at all in "reality." Reality is, in Lacan's phrasing "a montage of the imaginary and the symbolic." Let’s say you have red paint and yellow paint. You know that mixing these will tend toward orange. You have been given many imaginary exemplars of this having happened and you have a symbolic understanding of colors and their relations as well. If mixing equal parts yellow and red gave you green you would be totally shocked. That you get something orange instead of green is in accord with both the symbolic and the imaginary. This example makes it seem as if these two orders simply map “how the world works”. But that is not quite right (as the pepto-bismol example showed). How we understand the world is organized through the symbolic and the imaginary. But many utterly false beliefs can be organized through these just as easily. Consider the belief that the earth is flat, it is easily imaginable that the symbolic and imaginary framework that allows for the reality by which one experiences the world could make that idea as normal and natural as it gets. Reality then, whether “accurate” or not with regard to empirical matters, still does not correspond to the real. What reality is, is those interdependent parts of the symbolic and the imaginary that we believe in without question, depend upon, etc. In this thing called "reality" all the holes and faults and fissures of the symbolic are systematically masked by the imaginary (much the way that while we all have a blind spot in our ocular field, the brain fills it in so that what we see appears as a seamless view). 
The Order of the Real. This is the most difficult of these three to explain. Certainly it seems to confuse people the most. No matter what I write here, I will not be completely satisfied with it. And, to be fair to myself here, Lacan's ideas about this change over the course of his teaching as his conception of the other orders comes into clearer and clearer focus. I'm going to try to head right at the central confusion and see if I can somehow get untangled from it. 
One of the biggest difficulties of discussing the real conceptually or if trying to provide an example (which usually depends on both the symbolic and the imaginary), is that what distinguishes the real from these other orders is that it cannot be rendered as any kind of image (or other imaginary construct) or concept (that is, symbolically). The real is that which resists 'capture' in either of the other orders. As such, every conceptual explanation tends only to point in the direction of the real, without grasping it. Likewise many imaginary types of examples tend to imply a direct link between the real and matter, which is also incorrect. 
So here is a faulty example that points in the right direction. You go to the library and you look up a book you need and you go to the right section and shelf and you count across and it is missing!  But is it? The symbolic system which determines the places of books in the library is what allows you to say that it is "missing" - with regard to the real, it cannot be "missing." There is nothing “missing” in the real, the real lacks nothing unless perhaps it lacks lack itself.
And here is an example that is not of the real, but which may help to show how the "cracks" in the symbolic are an index that something real has escaped symbolic capture. The famous wave or particle business from physics. That we can tell either where a subatomic particle is, or we can tell which way it is moving, but never both. Our symbolic grasp of these things cannot unify them, it can tell either this or that and each option excludes the possibility of the other. This is a point of symbolic breakdown that we have no way to patch up and deny as a point of breakdown by the use of the imaginary. 
One final way to think about this (again, with limits) is this... Imagine a small rock. With enough time and effort let us imagine that you could know everything about its symbolic determinations, its weight, what sort of rock it is, its density, everything - and you could know it in every imaginary way possible, precisely what it looks like from every angle, that it kinda reminds you of Lenin’s head from this angle, that it has a small crack here, etc etc etc. If it were possible to know everything about it that could be known through symbolic and imaginary means, would this exhaust the rock entirely? Would that be everything? ... In "reality," maybe so. But there would still be the real of this rock which escapes, which is always in excess of what it is in "reality," because of the holes (blind spots) in reality due to the incompleteness of the symbolic (which is constitutively incomplete, that is, it cannot be finally complete, this is a structural impossibility - not unlike the particle or wave issue above). 
Anyway, that is my attempt to discuss that which cannot be adequately delivered in language. Much much more could be said. 

10 comments:

  1. We live in a highly self-conscious culture. I would think that the repression of image has become an incredibly difficult feat like you explain in your example, but do you think that image has slowly began to overtake the importance of language? That is, image is becoming increasingly symbolic and I would think this has to do with capitalist mediation of the signification process. I think image is very effective and convenient for capitalist systems to effectively classify and target. The danger of this I think lies in how image is hierarchical and a class of images is emerging in the imaginary that dictates one's worth. This has probably been even further made true through social media, pushing identities even further into the abstract. I guess my question is, do you ever see the return of language being dominant in the realm of the symbolic? Or maybe it's true that language continues to shape/reinforce images?

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      Hi Alex,

      It's quite a coincidence that you make this comment now. From my perspective at least. I've spent the better part of the last 4 days working on the prospectus for my dissertation and part of it includes my recasting of certain of the ideas expressed in this blog post from more than two years ago. My position about may of these things has also changed a fair amount since then.

      Coincidences aside, your questions may exceed my ability to answer. Let me take a look though and see what thoughts come to mind.

      To begin with, my use of the word "repress" with regards to pictures of one's self that one does not like was a bit sloppy. In everyday speech it works ok, but given that this discussion concerns psychoanalysis it makes it appear that I am talking about repression as understood there. But the usage in my post doesn't add up if I try to read it that way. We do not choose consciously to repress things, the psyche acts to repress those things which evoke already existing repressed contents, or in the event of some traumatic experience, we may find that our memory fails us and that certain parts have disappeared. Now these missing bits might have been lost for other reasons entirely — as when one is knocked unconscious and hardly anyone can recall what took places in the last few seconds before being hit on the head — in fact when victims claim that they do, police are cautioned to be wary as they may be fabricating a story for other reasons. But perhaps the point does not require the proper psychoanalytic definition. Certainly there are indications that certain celebrities have been very much hurt by the circulation of images of them which are unflattering, or even entirely fake. I suspect that the same would be true of many people.

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      As to the relative importance of image or language. Many people seem to be concerned about this question. I have heard people suggest that blog sites like tumblr, in that many of them are engaged in the distribution of images with little or not text, that this is indicative of a cultural shift toward psychosis! I find that well across the line into ridiculous. Are images gaining in prominence while language in the written form (newspapers, books) declining? Yes, that seems to be the trend. But the mere fact that an image is an image does not mean that it has no symbolic content. Similarly, even two word like 'on' and 'off' are quite difficult to grasp without some imaginary assistance.

      To return to the Borromean know. In the space where Symbolic and Imaginary overlap, Lacan wrote "meaning". What do you make of that? My thinking about this suggests that to the extent that an image can be said to meaning anything at all, that it is not purely Imaginary, but also have Symbolic content. Likewise, for words have any specific meaning at all would require that some degree of fixing has taken place, and that fix is a consequence of the Imaginary. Or so at least, is my thought about this question.

      I don't think that images are become more symbolic or less. Medieval paintings were literally jam-packed with symbolic significations that are largely lost on us moderns who have not studied them. Contemporary images used to sell things are also jam-packed with content too, but it is intended to be absorbed without much reflection so that we do not ask ourselves questions like "Wait, so smoking actually makes hot women want to take me on motorcycle rides?" This feature speaks to what you said about images being "effective and convenient for capitalist systems to effectively classify and target".

      You conclude with, "I guess my question is, do you ever see the return of language being dominant in the realm of the symbolic? Or maybe it's true that language continues to shape/reinforce images?"
      I may have answered this in part already. I do not know whether writing will come back and trump pictures, but I don't think that we are facing a world with either more or less of the Symbolic or the Imaginary, simple a different distribution of their valences. Perhaps in 100 years our skills at reading the symbolic codes in imagery will be so much more advanced that images will seem to most people to be more effective in their deliver of content? Or perhaps the apocalypse is upon us and no one will be able to read or write a century hence. If the Symbolic were in decline and the Imaginary in the ascendent then one would expect a lot more war and a lot more unthinking passions, more lust and more aggression on all sides. Is that happening? I don't know. It seems that every generation feels this. I can't help but to think it may be a perspectival effect which in a longer view would seem trivial.

      My 2c.

      best,
      JL

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  2. I'm a novice (to put it generously) in Lacanian theory and I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around what you mean by the constitutive incompleteness of the symbolic that necessitates positing the Real. From what I've read, I'm inclined to link this constitutive incompleteness with the loss of the pre-symbolic unity with the mother that existed before castration. In other words, because language cuts into our original unity with being (or the Real) and introduces a distance from it, it is necessary to dub the symbolic constitutively incomplete. By its very nature, it estranges us from what we were initially in union with. But I know that doesn't seem to relate to what you were discussing, so I apologize if I'm just prattling on irrelevantly..... This is just the only way I've been able to make sense of this constitutive incompleteness.

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  3. Hi Joey,

    So particle and wave didn't work for you at all?

    The route you are taking to the idea is valid enough. These days I try to distance myself from the rigidities of the mommy daddy account for a number of reasons, but leaving most of those aside, if one is to think about it in that way it seems to me more productive to posit not mother and father, but first other and second other. (I'm working from Verhaeghe in ON BEING NORMAL AND OTHER DISORDERS - which is amazingly great). The first other is not the mother as such, but the nascent subject's own body and the primary caregiver or givers. Then comes the moment of triangulation (what Oedipus is meant to account for) when the initial fusion between the not-yet-subject and its significant other or others is mediated and that subject as such comes into being. The first other (or others) only at this moment split off and are distinguishable from the body. The handiness of this account is that it doesn't doom all children of single mothers to likely psychosis. I'm kidding. But not much. The very same primary caregiver (the nanny perhaps) may also manifest the second other, the other that demands separation. Likewise this formulation also account for how same sex parents might raise kids without them being prone to psychosis or perversion, etc. 

    But that account doesn't really help with your question does it?

    Are you sure particle/wave doesn't work for you? If particle then no wave. If wave then no particle. Both cases are of the symbolic mapping the subatomic. If one is symbolized the other is barred. Ergo, symbolization has inescapable deadlocks, breakdowns, gaps, holes, etc. 

    But if that is still not working for you, maybe some Hegel by way of Kojève? "The word is the murder of the thing." A word cannot be equal to the thing it represents/signifies. When Lacan speaks of the 'bar" separating signifier (word, to be simple) from signified (thing, to stick with the vibe established) he refer to the impossibility of these two things ever perfectly coinciding with one another. Another way of saying it would be that meaning can never equal being. This is actually very close to the account you gave in some ways. Your account preserves the Freudian vibe and is closest to the early Lacan, as things move along he is constantly whittling this insight down with one hand while further generalizing & extending it with the other. If, in the account you gave, the subject loses the sense of a fusion with the (first) Other - this is also a fantasy. There never was a perfect fusion with the (first) Other, this fusion in which all need were met and all pleasures apt is a retroactive fantasy about something never actually had that is produced by becoming a speaking being, by having all of one's life thenceforth mediated by language. Thus what is imagined as lost becomes a "lost object" which we then search for in one incarnation after another - this lost object is 'objet petit a' the object/cause of desire. It's a remainder of symbolic castration (or, as I would prefer - again for reasons of distancing from some of the problematic aspects of Freud's account - symbolic alienation). 

    But again, I digress. 

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  4. Just as we cannot symbolize, cannot fully bring into language and meaning (which actually requires both symbolic and imaginary, but that's another story) whatever we experienced before we were speaking beings    ...Just as the subatomic physicist cannot say both where a particle is and which direction if it going at one and the same time     ....Just as meaning can never equal being, nor word equal thing  

    In Television Lacan says “I always speak the truth. Not the whole truth, because there's no way, to say it all. Saying it all is literally impossible: words fail. Yet it's through this very impossibility that the truth holds onto the real.”

    The symbolic is constituted by this very impossibility. Just as a word cannot equal the thing to which it refers and if it did, it could not be a word, could not function as a word). The symbolic requires this hole or gap, this incompletion in order for it to be able to function. 

    You know those little puzzle toys with the square tiles that one can move from space to space on an enclosed plane. Often there are four rows or four spaces but they must leave one empty slot so that you can move them around and reorganize the sequence. Without that empty space, no movement would be possible. In a similar fashion the symbolic requires its own gap. Even if that gap is a stumbling block for us language users time and again

    There are lots and lots of ways to demonstrate aspects or variations on this idea, Heidegger's notion of the withdrawal of being (popular these days with many but not all philosophers associated with the name 'speculative realism') or through Gödel's incompleteness theorems, Russell's paradox. 

    Many of Lacan most gnomic formula's make this assertion in different ways
    The big Other does not exist
    There is no Other of the Other
    There is no metalanguage

    The reason that Lacan represent the subject with a bar through the S ... $ ... (sorry that I have only the dollar sign to approximate that) is that this constitutive incompleteness applies to all of us. The words we use for ourselves, John, Joey, Muhammad... or simply I... none of these *is* us and yet we are forced by language to act as if they do. & the socio-symbolic order demands that we are held accountable - the crime we commit, the medical histories we generate, and now (thank you NSA!) everything we do online Goes Down On Our Permanent Record. When you and I are both dead, what will remain of either of us? A name on a gravestone, on a book jacket, in an obituary (the word is the murder of the thing). 

    Hope this helps somehow.

    cheers
    J

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    1. This is really great stuff, John.
      Thanks!!!

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  5. here is another Symbolic / Real paradox that demonstrates that the Symbolic (set theory in this case) is unable to figure the Real. I take the text from an article by Levi Bryant in SPECULATIONS III (which if you google it, is available as a free download online)

    "Thus, for instance, the problem with the set of all sets that do not include themselves is that if the set of all sets that do not include themselves includes itself, then it simultaneously must belong to itself and exclude itself. If it belongs to itself then it has violated the property defining member- ship to itself: Namely, it is no longer the set of all sets are not members of themselves. Likewise, if it is not a member of itself, then there is at least one signifier that does not belong to the set of all sets that are not members of themselves, thereby undermining the totality of this set. The set of all sets that are not members of themselves is consequently a paradoxical notion. The symbolic thus generates impasses of formalizations, these impasses express formal impossibilities, and these formal impossibilities are what characterize the Real."

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  6. Thanks so much for all of this. Ok, I am with you now on the internal deadlock (I don't know why the quantum example didn't work for me, maybe because initially the incompatible subatomic mappings seemed like a contingent and perhaps temporary deficiency of our current scientific understanding, rather than a necessary deadlock, which is why the set theory example makes a lot more sense, for me). But now I'm puzzled by this notion that the gap in the symbolic is what allows it to function, and I guess the best way to articulate my puzzlement would be to ask: does this gap exist gap *within* language or between language and the Real. Now, my gut tells me that it exists within language, that it stands for those deadlocks intrinsic to language, and my gut also tells me that 'the Real' is simply the name for these intrinsic deadlocks. However, what makes me think of the Real as being *beyond* these deadlocks, that which these deadlocks prohibit language from grasping, is what you say here: "Just as a word cannot equal the thing to which it refers and if it did, it could not be a word, could not function as a word)." This makes it sound like the gap you refer to is between language and the Real (between words and what they would stand for), making the real sound something like the Kantian thing-in-itself.

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  7. Hi Joey -- still listening? My life got busy there for a minute. Now, here I am in another state and I discovered I'd missed a few comments here on this (largely ignored) blog.

    To try an answer your question about where that ‘gap’ is situated…

    Part of the trouble in my explanations above is that with as much continuity as there is in Lacan there is also a great deal of evolution in his thinking. It is very easy to lose the thread, or worse, start to do a windbaggy “what Lacan thinks” thing which, in its very striving to be clear, betrays the complexity of the man’s thought.

    So, as I haven’t the time to dig in his work here to do a more faithful job of this, I’ll risk windbaggery with the proviso that this is my understanding of Lacan and not Lacan, etc.

    The relation of signifier to signified (word to thing, in the terms I’d used above) is NOT the same as that of Symbolic to Real, though these two relations share *some* common features in Lacan’s discourse and at times one stands metaphorically for the other to help bring these commonalities out.

    The relationship of signifier to signified, the word “table” to wooden thing on which my laptop rests (or the word “John” to who I am) demonstrates that the word or signifier never perfectly equals or captures the signified or thing. But within the realms of meaning, or pragmatic everyday functioning, “table” works just fine when I tell you where to rest your coffee cup, and “John” does an ok job of getting my attention in public (though it will also grab the attention of a few others in any large group of men). There is nothing here or the Real as such. The signifier ‘table’ works just as well with a variety of objects, it doesn’t need to be inerrant and precise in referring to the material specificity of the table in front of me in order for it to work fine in most utterances. Nonetheless, the relations that are sketched out in the “word is the murder of the thing” still apply, they just don’t get in the way that often (unless someone says “You’ll find the antidote to your otherwise fatal poisoning on the table in my home” and you race over there to save your own life and you find multiple tables in multiple rooms many of which have substances which may or may not be the antidote in question. But this pragmatic problem could be cleared up easily without the word ‘table’ needing to be more precise, simply by the speaker giving you other details.

    But the relation Symbolic to Real is much more radically distinct. The Real is that which the Symbolic cannot signify, which the Imaginary cannot picture or figure. The Real is radically resistant to these forms of representation (Symbolic) or presentation (Imaginary). The Real is sometimes said to be that which “doesn’t work”. It is easy to confuse it with the Kantian noumena but Lacan is at pains to refuse that comparison. You’ve come quite close to what I think is Lacan’s mature position about this when you write, “my gut also tells me that 'the Real' is simply the name for these intrinsic deadlocks” — that all we can “know” of the Real is those moments of breakdown, when the symbolic coordinates of our understanding break down or go off the rails. Given this, the question of where the “gap” is located [1. between Symbolic & Real, or 2. within the Symbolic] probably collapses… such that the “gap between S and R” can be nothing other than the inherent incompletion of the Symbolic as such.

    Anyway, sorry for the lag time.

    best,
    John

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